Juventus 'Deserve A Voice As Well...'
Giuseppe Solinas writes: "As a member of numerous soccer forums I feel compelled to tell you that Goal.com is widely considered to be an anti-Juve platform. I'm not sure if that is the public opinion desired at Goal.com but in the spirit of journalistic objectivity I feel it is only fair to publish this editorial. Juventus' fanbase deserve a voice as well."
Goal.com would like to point out that it is neither pro nor anti any particular club, and that its journalists seek to be objective irrespective of their own club loyalties, which cover a broad spectrum (including Juventus). That said, we are happy to publish Giuseppe's article on perceived media bias against the Old Lady...
zoom - galleria As a naturally inquisitive soccer fan I find it incomprehensible how limited certain fans can be. We are into the 7th matchday of Serie A and controversy has plagued the league already. It seems a certain soccer powerhouse cannot earn so much as a draw without being attacked by rival supporters.
The first element of confusion that still dumbfounds me is the idea (by now shared by very few) that Juventus were actually caught match fixing and sent to Serie B for that purpose. The actual Calciopoli sentence from the federal courts can be viewed by anyone on the FIGC's official website in the archive section where such a notion is completely dismantled by statements like:
- Pg 74-75 there was no "cupola" or "Moggi System"
- Pg 76 no proof article 6 violations (match fixing) against Juventus
- Pg 83 referee selections were done in accordance with the rules of the FIGC
- Pg 101 the yellow cards were not organized.
- Pg 61 states that Juventus was not responsible for the salvation of Fiorentina after the De Santis-influenced game between Lecce and Parma that finished in a tie allowing the Viola to survive in Serie A
This is the tip of the iceberg and I encourage anyone interested to view the sentence for themselves and email farsopoli@hotmail.com for further information including obtaining actual wiretaps and legal documents from the trial.
That is the past however. Looking at the present is just as puzzling. In the first 7 games of the Serie A season Juventus won two games by substantial margins (Livorno 5-1 and Reggina 4-0) and no slander appeared in the papers following the performances. The other game oddly left untouched by the media was Juventus's 1-0 loss to Udinese. All else has been the subject of criticism and constant attacks.
It astounds me that to even the most uninformed calcio fan, it seems possible that Juventus could be corrupting the system. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Juventus were cheaters in Calciopoli instead of cheated. After, we saw the player roster almost entirely changed, the coach changed, the financial situation changed, the managers changed, the referee designers changed as did the FIGC directors.
How could Juventus possibly have the capability of influencing anything? It also needs to be stated that Calciopoli cost Juventus nearly a quarter of a billion Euros; it seems highly illogical that upon their return to the top flight they would try to condition referees.
This has not stopped the Anti-Juventino population from carrying on the same tune we've all grown a little tired of. Well, let's look at what hasn't changed. Juventus have done well to take points off of favorites like Roma and Fiorentina. Juventus have positioned themselves comfortably in 2nd place. A Juventus striker has even positioned himself as the league's leading goal scorer. Just like before, Juve are doing well despite being in a rebuilding phase with numerous injuries. Another thing that hasn't changed is the media structure in Italy which has its base in the city of Milano.
It should come as no surprise that once again, the combination of Juventus doing well and the press having its base and ownership in direct unison with rival teams has led to a whole new season of the "same old excuses".
Astonishingly Juventus and her fans found themselves in a position of self defense in certain cases where being the accusers would have been more logical. Against Cagliari referee Farina called 3 very generous penalties against Juventus (with one finally overturned). Juventus nonetheless won 3-2 and were accused of benefitting from referee assistance after a Trezeguet
goal was allowed to stand. All replays showed an onside goal. No one questioned the penalties however.
Against Roma, Juventus were accused of referee favoritism again. Apparently, Nedved simulated for a penalty that was never scored (replays showed both leg contact and a push). Numerous offside calls were also contested by Roma and the press but what was cleverly not contested was the Roma offside that the referee allowed leading to a Totti goal.
Against Torino Trezeguet scored a goal that was again the subject of "offside" criticism. No one informed the press and Toro management of the pass back rule. Thankfully referee designer Collina clarified the issue. After all, managers can't just re-write the rules of the sport when they lose.
Against Fiorentina the team was again subjected to accusations. Iaquinta's goal was invalid according to critics based on Trezeguet's offside position. Though Trezeguet was in an offside position, FIFA rules dictate that unless Trezeguet was in direct obstruction of goalkeeper Frey, his position could not be penalized. All replays show Iaquinta's goal go in on the far side
while Frey was positioned wrongfully on the near side of the net rendering Trezeguet's position absolutely meaningless. With or without David's run, Frey would not have been capable of stopping the shot based on his position not Trezeguet's (which may be why he didn't even attempt a save).
That didn't stop the media parade from printing countless articles regarding the goal. The press did however succeed in distracting the public from the other episode in the game. Mutu leveled the game thanks to yet another generous penalty against the "Old Lady" in the 88th minute. Though arm contact cannot be disputed, FIFA rules require demonstration of deliberate
intent to award a penalty. Replays show that Legrotaglie's arms made no motion towards the ball and distance between the defender and Vieri did not allow Legrotaglie enough time to react and avoid the contact. A soft penalty to say the least.
Amazingly the two denied penalty shots against Udinese failed to meet the editor's approval for print. Similarly the disallowed Iaquinta equalizer (same game) for a foul by Del Piero meters away from the play didn't make the cut either. A trend can be noted and those who need to buy into the excuses are not about to relinquish their crutch.
Unfortunately it has become apparent that every game that results in a Juventus draw or narrow victory will be followed by a week's worth of accusations and excuses which says a lot for sportsmanship and humility in the calcio world. Worse yet is the fact that no matter how many decisions wrongfully go against Juventus neither the team nor the fans will likely find a platform to express discontent. Maybe objectivity is better suited for other sports.
Giuseppe Solinas
E questo è il commento di un inglese:
It pleases me to read such an objective article stating clear facts and theories but i have since reached a conclusion that success attracts envy and hatred even when issues are clearly stated as you have rightly done above. I have accepted the unfortunate fact that the most successful team in italian history will always remain at the center of negative press. The world ought to thank juve for its contribution to italian football and world football in general. The last world cup final (italy vs france) had eight juventus players playing on the pitch,juventus have produced european footballers of the year on a number of occassions,the club have been the base of the italian national team for over 100 year and despite all this it remains villified for issues that lack ratiionality. I am proud to support Juventus and am sure i speak for millions of fans around the world when i say all the negative press is just the price we have to pay for our success. Forza JUVENTUS!
Traduzione:
Mi fa piacere leggere un commento così obiettivo che riporta fatti e teorie veri, ma ho raggiunto la conclusione che il successo attrae l'invidia e l'odio anche quando le opinioni sono dichiarate chiaramente come avete fatto giustamente sopra. Ho accettato il fatto sfavorevole che la squadra più ricca di successi nella storia italiana rimarrà bersaglio di una stampa avversa. Il mondo deve ringraziare la Juve per il contributo che ha dato al calcio italiano e al calcio mondiale in generale. L'ultima finale di Coppa del Mondo (Italia-Francia) ha visto otto giocatori della Juventus in campo, la Juventus ha prodotto i giocatori europei dell'anno in moltissime occassioni, il club è stato la base della squadra nazionale italiana per oltre 100 anni e nonostante ciò la Juventus continua ad essere infangata per motivi assurdi, irrazionali. Sono orgoglioso di tifare Juventus e sono sicuro di parlare per milioni di tifosi di tutto il mondo quando dico che l'avversità della stampa è il prezzo che dobbiamo pagare per il nostro successo. Forza JUVENTUS!
2 commenti:
Scusa Mirko, ma io di inglese conosco solo qualche parola: potresti tradurre anche la prima parte?
Io ho provato a tradurre il testo in italiano. Mi scuso in anticipo perché non essendo né inglese, né italiano, sicuramente avró fatto alcuni errori nella traduzione...; ma almeno ci ho provato....(non ho tradotto tutto parola per parola, ma quando non l´ho fatto ho cercato di riassumere ció che c´é scritto...)
Prima ho messo il testo in inglese, poi sotto ogni passaggio la traduzione o il riassunto....
Juventus 'Deserve A Voice As Well...' Giuseppe Solinas writes: "As a member of numerous soccer forums I feel compelled to tell you that Goal.com is widely considered to be an anti-Juve platform. I'm not sure if that is the public opinion desired at Goal.com but in the spirit of journalistic objectivity I feel it is only fair to publish this editorial. Juventus' fanbase deserve a voice as well."
Solina scrive (in breve parole): ha l´ impressione che goal.com da molti venga considerato come una piattaforma anti-Juve. Scrive che siccome difficilmente é questa la reputazione che quelli di goal.com desidarano avere, ha ritenuto giusto, nel nome del giornalismo obiettivo, pubblicare questo editoriale. Perché anche
il popolo juventino merita una voce.
Goal.com would like to point out that it is neither pro nor anti any particular club, and that its journalists seek to be objective irrespective of their own club loyalties, which cover a broad spectrum (including Juventus). That said, we are happy to publish Giuseppe's article on perceived media bias against the Old Lady...
Juventus 'Deserve A Voice As Well...'
Qui sopra Goal.com puntualizza di non essere né pro né contro nessun club e che é compito di ogni giornalista cercare di essere obiettivo indipendentemente dai colori per i quali tifa....
As a naturally inquisitive soccer fan I find it incomprehensible how limited certain fans can be. We are into the 7th matchday of Serie A and controversy has plagued the league already. It seems a certain soccer powerhouse cannot earn so much as a draw without being attacked by rival supporters.
Essendo un tifoso che per natura é predisposto al senso critico ed alla voglia di investigare e a non prendere per buono tutto ció che scrivono i giornali (parole non testuali...), Salinas trova incomprensibile la "miopia" di molti tifosi. Siamo solo alla 7. giornata di Serie A e giá il campionato é stato tormentato dalle prime controverse. Sembra che la Juve non possa nemmeno pareggiare una partita senza essere attaccata dai supporter rivali.
The first element of confusion that still dumbfounds me is the idea (by now shared by very few) that Juventus were actually caught match fixing and sent to Serie B for that purpose. The actual Calciopoli sentence from the federal courts can be viewed by anyone on the FIGC's official website in the archive section where such a notion is completely dismantled by statements like:
- Pg 74-75 there was no "cupola" or "Moggi System"
- Pg 76 no proof article 6 violations (match fixing) against Juventus
- Pg 83 referee selections were done in accordance with the rules of the FIGC
- Pg 101 the yellow cards were not organized.
- Pg 61 states that Juventus was not responsible for the salvation of Fiorentina after the De Santis-influenced game between Lecce and Parma that finished in a tie allowing the Viola to survive in Serie A
Salinas parla della mancanza di logicitá nelle sentenze di calciopoli. Da una parte si diceva che la Juve si comprava gli arbitri e le partite e per questo é "giustamente" finita in B. Ma dall´altra parte le sentenze di calciopoli sono piene di contraddizioni in tal senso, basta vedere dichiarazioni come:
- pg. 74-75 non c´era nessuna cupola (sistema Moggi)
- pg. 76 nessuna prova per la violazione dell´articolo 6 contro la Juventus (match fixing)
pg. 83 la selezione degli arbitri é stata effettuata in linea con re regole della FIGC
- pg. 101 i cartellini gialli non sono stati pilotati
pg. 61 la Juventus non é stata responsabile della salvezza della Fiorentina in seguito alla partita Lecce-Parma, che sarebbe stata manipolata da De Santis ed é finita in pareggio, consentendo cosí ai viola di sopravvivere in Serie A.
This is the tip of the iceberg and I encourage anyone interested to view the sentence for themselves and email farsopoli@hotmail.com for further information including obtaining actual wiretaps and legal documents from the trial.
Questa é solo la punta dell´iceberg e Salinas raccomanda tutti gli interessati a leggersi le sentenze di Calciopoli ed a inviare degli email a farsopoli@hotmail.com per ulteriori informazioni o per acquisire le intercettazioni telefoniche ed i documenti legali del processo.
Qui sotto Salinas invece parla del presente e delle prime controverse e polemiche del campionato in corso:
That is the past however. Looking at the present is just as puzzling. In the first 7 games of the Serie A season Juventus won two games by substantial margins (Livorno 5-1 and Reggina 4-0) and no slander appeared in the papers following the performances. The other game oddly left untouched by the media was Juventus's 1-0 loss to Udinese. All else has been the subject of criticism and constant attacks.
Questo per quanto riguarda il passato. Guardando al presente sembra che non sia cambiato nulla (ancora non sono le parole testuali, ma non sapevo tradurre l´esepressione "puzzling ). Nelle prime sette giornate di campionato la Juventus ha vinto con un margine nettissimo le due partite contro Livorno e Reggina ed ovviamente non ci sono state polemiche sui giornali in seguito. A parte queste due partite l´unica che si é salvata dalla gogna mediatica é stata la sconfitta per 0-1 contro l´Udinese. Ma tutte le altre partite (cioé tutte quelle conclusesi con una nostra vittoria di misura o con un pareggio) sono state soggetto di critiche e di feroci attacchi.
It astounds me that to even the most uninformed calcio fan, it seems possible that Juventus could be corrupting the system. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Juventus were cheaters in Calciopoli instead of cheated. After, we saw the player roster almost entirely changed, the coach changed, the financial situation changed, the managers changed, the referee designers changed as did the FIGC directors.
Mi stupisce che anche al piú uniformato (forse allude al uomo che ha preso uno schiaffo da Zebina? he he) tifoso di calcio possa sembrare possibile che la Juventus possa ancora corrompere il sistema. Anche assumendo che la Juventus ha infatti barato durante Moggi, dopo Calciopoli la rosa della squadra é stata cambiata quasi completamente, é cambiato l´allenatore, la situazione finanziaria pure, cosí come sono cambiati gli arbitri ed i vertici FIGC.
How could Juventus possibly have the capability of influencing anything? It also needs to be stated that Calciopoli cost Juventus nearly a quarter of a billion Euros; it seems highly illogical that upon their return to the top flight they would try to condition referees.
Come potrebbe la Juventus avere la capacitá di influenzare qualcosa? Va detto che Calciopoli alla Juventus é costata quasi 250 millioni di Euro; sembra assolutamente illogico che al ritorno in A potrebbero nella maniera piú assoluta solo pensare a condizionare gli arbitri.
This has not stopped the Anti-Juventino population from carrying on the same tune we've all grown a little tired of. Well, let's look at what hasn't changed. Juventus have done well to take points off of favorites like Roma and Fiorentina. Juventus have positioned themselves comfortably in 2nd place. A Juventus striker has even positioned himself as the league's leading goal scorer. Just like before, Juve are doing well despite being in a rebuilding phase with numerous injuries. Another thing that hasn't changed is the media structure in Italy which has its base in the city of Milano.
Questo purtroppo non ha impedito al popolo Anti-Juventino di proseguire la solita campagna che ormai ci ha un pó rotto le palle. Vabbé, vediamo un pó cosa non é assolutamente cambiato: La Juventus ha fatto bene a fare punti contro i piú quotati Roma e Fiorentina. La Juve si é piazzata comodamente al 2. posto. Un attaccante della Juventus é addirittura in vetta alla classifica cannonieri. Come sempre, la Juve sta facendo benissimo pur essendo in una fase di rodaggio e pur avendo vari infortuni. An´altra cosa che non é cambiata assolutamente é la struttura mediatica in Italia che continua ad avere la sua base nella cittá di Milano.
It should come as no surprise that once again, the combination of Juventus doing well and the press having its base and ownership in direct unison with rival teams has led to a whole new season of the "same old excuses".
Con tutto ció in mente non puó assolutamente sorprendere che la combinazione fra una Juventus che sta facendo bene sul campo ed una stampa che continua ad avere la sua base e proprietá nella cittá delle due principali rivali agonistiche, abbia portato ad una nuova stagione all´insegna delle solite scuse ed alibi (da parte milanese).
Astonishingly Juventus and her fans found themselves in a position of self defense in certain cases where being the accusers would have been more logical. Against Cagliari referee Farina called 3 very generous penalties against Juventus (with one finally overturned). Juventus nonetheless won 3-2 and were accused of benefitting from referee assistance after a Trezeguet
goal was allowed to stand. All replays showed an onside goal. No one questioned the penalties however.
Stranamente la Juventus ed i suoi tifosi si sono trovati talvolta in una posizione di autodifesa pur in casi dove sarebbe stato piú logico essere gli accusatori. Contro il Cagliari l´arbitro Farina ha assegnato tre rigori generosissimi contro la Juventus (uno dei quali poi annullato). Ció nonostante la Juventus ha vinto 3-2 ed é stata accusata di avere beneficiato di favori arbitrali dopo che é stato convalidato un gol di Trezeguet: tutti i replay hanno mostrato un gol nettamente regolare. Ma nessuno ha messo in dubbio i rigori concessi ai sardi.
Against Roma, Juventus were accused of referee favoritism again. Apparently, Nedved simulated for a penalty that was never scored (replays showed both leg contact and a push). Numerous offside calls were also contested by Roma and the press but what was cleverly not contested was the Roma offside that the referee allowed leading to a Totti goal.
Ancora contro la Roma la Juventus é stata di nuovo accusata di godere di favori arbitrali. Apparentemente Nedved ha simulato ed ottenuto un rigore che peró non é stato ben sfruttato (ma i replay indicavano un netto contatto a due gambe ed una spinta). Dalla stampa sono stati pure contestati numerosi segnalazioni di fuorigioco contro la Roma, ma furbamente nessuno ha messo in dubbio il gol di Totti, segnato peró in netto fuorigioco.
Against Torino Trezeguet scored a goal that was again the subject of "offside" criticism. No one informed the press and Toro management of the pass back rule. Thankfully referee designer Collina clarified the issue. After all, managers can't just re-write the rules of the sport when they lose.
Contro il Torino Trezeguet ha di nuovo segnato un gol che é stato soggetto alle (solite) critiche di fuorigioco. Nessuno peró ha informato la stampa e l´allenatore del Toro della regola del retropassaggio (il pallone é arrivato da un granata, facendo cosí partire una nuova azione - questo lo aggiungo! ). Per fortuna il designatore degli arbitri Collina ha tolto ogni dubbio. Dopo tutto, gli allenatori non possono poi riscrivere le regole del gioco solo perché perdono.
Against Fiorentina the team was again subjected to accusations. Iaquinta's goal was invalid according to critics based on Trezeguet's offside position. Though Trezeguet was in an offside position, FIFA rules dictate that unless Trezeguet was in direct obstruction of goalkeeper Frey, his position could not be penalized. All replays show Iaquinta's goal go in on the far side
while Frey was positioned wrongfully on the near side of the net rendering Trezeguet's position absolutely meaningless. With or without David's run, Frey would not have been capable of stopping the shot based on his position not Trezeguet's (which may be why he didn't even attempt a save).
Contro la Fiorentina la squadra bianconera é stata ancora soggetto di accuse pesanti. Il gol di Iaquinta é stato irregolare, secondo le critiche, per colpa del fuorigioco (passivo) di Trezeguet. Ma anche se Trezeguet era in una posizione di fuorigioco, le regole della Fifa dicono che qualora Trezeguet non fosse direttamente in una posizione di ostrurre il portiere Frey, la sua resterebbe una posizione non punibile. Tutti le immagini televisive dimostrano infatti il tiro di Iaquinta andare verso il palo piú lontano mentre Frey era posizionato male sul primo palo, rendendo cosí ininfluente la posizione di Trezeguet. Con o senza la presenza di David, Frey non sarebbe mai stato in grado di intercettare il tiro, non in base alla posizione di Trezeguet, ma per colpa della sua non ottimale posizione (sará per questo che non ha nemmeno accennato alla parata).
That didn't stop the media parade from printing countless articles regarding the goal. The press did however succeed in distracting the public from the other episode in the game. Mutu leveled the game thanks to yet another generous penalty against the "Old Lady" in the 88th minute. Though arm contact cannot be disputed, FIFA rules require demonstration of deliberate
intent to award a penalty. Replays show that Legrotaglie's arms made no motion towards the ball and distance between the defender and Vieri did not allow Legrotaglie enough time to react and avoid the contact. A soft penalty to say the least.
Ció peró non ha inpedito ai mass media di scrivere innumerevoli articoli sul gol. La stampa é comunque riuscita nell´intento di distrarre la opinione publica dall´altro episodio chiave della partita. Mutu ha pareggiato al 88´grazie ad un altro rigore generoso contro "La Vecchia Signora". Anche se é innegabile che il tocco col braccio c´é stato, le regole della FIFA richiedono che sia provata la volontarietá e l´intenzionalitá del gesto per poter assegnare il rigore. I replay hanno dimostrato che il braccio di Legrottaglie non ha in nessun modo cercato la palla e la distanza fra Vieri e Legrottaglie non ha dato a Legrottaglie il necessario tempo per reagire ed evitare il contatto col braccio. Un rigore generoso a dir poco.
Amazingly the two denied penalty shots against Udinese failed to meet the editor's approval for print. Similarly the disallowed Iaquinta equalizer (same game) for a foul by Del Piero meters away from the play didn't make the cut either. A trend can be noted and those who need to buy into the excuses are not about to relinquish their crutch.
Incredibilmente i due episodi dei rigori negati alla Juve contro l´Udinese non sono stati ritenuti dai direttori dei giornali degni di essere stampati. Allo stesso modo il gol del pareggio annullato a Iaquinta nella stessa partita, per un ininfluente fallo di Del Piero a metri di distanza dalla zona di gioco, non ha superato la censura della stampa.
Unfortunately it has become apparent that every game that results in a Juventus draw or narrow victory will be followed by a week's worth of accusations and excuses which says a lot for sportsmanship and humility in the calcio world. Worse yet is the fact that no matter how many decisions wrongfully go against Juventus neither the team nor the fans will likely find a platform to express discontent. Maybe objectivity is better suited for other sports.
Purtroppo é ormai apparente che qualsiasi partita che termina con un pareggio o con una vittoria di misura della Juventus sará sempre seguita da una settimana di accuse e di scuse, il che la dice lunga sulla sportivitá e sulla (mancanza di) umiltá che c´é nel "mondo calcio". E peggio ancora: indipendentemente da quanti saranno le decisioni arbitrali a sfavore della Juventus, né la squadra, né i suoi tifosi riusciranno a trovare una piattaforma dove esprimere il loro malcontento. Chissá, forse l´obiettivitá va meglio d´accordo con altri sport, ma non col calcio.
Giuseppe Solinas"
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